The ShapeOko is a 3-axis machine, so is able to move the mounted tool in: 1. Since the pin that is used (Digital 10) in the stepper shield configuration can be used for PWM, this shield can support in the future spindle rotation speed control. I also found out that GRBL version 1.1f adds parking motion override control which is needed to control router speed after shut down. Everything was working pretty well, but I kept having USB disconnects. The SSR linked to above comes with a large finned heatsink, but it’s possible to buy them without it. For single-speed routers/cut-out tools, some users have used a router speed control unit, such as the MLCS 9400 Standard Duty Router Speed Control to slow it down. Description: Shield that allows turning an AC spindle on-off through gcode. Z axis updated to closed belt and pulley like x-carve; b. A logic-level device like the Arudino that the CM controller is based upon cannot switch large Alternating Current (AC) loads by itself. Really an excellent video too. I just wanted to monitor the Pid itself. Quick question regarding the Microswitches. I’m surprised the SuperPID doesn’t have a programmable soft-start? General Information. What’s Next Step 6. This is the minimum parts list needed for this modification. I like the manual control just fine. Newest project for an excited customer. This is the 3rd official version of the Shapeoko desktop CNC machine. We will contact you about a refund. SuperPID seems to enable speeds as low as 5-6k rpm. Without parking motion override I would shut off the router to do a tool change and router would default to max speed. It was mentioned online that running the Dewalt router at lower RPM compromises it’s cooling requirements. There are two different sets of pins in the upper corner of the board – a set of four and a set of six. I ran it for 20 minutes, three times. Read the Tutorial. SO3 for Sale - with DeWalt 611, Precision Collet Set, and Super PID Includes: - Dewalt 611 - New controller, original had a disconnect issue when spindle was running. It's been a month since I ordered, got an order-confirmation but my card has not been charged yet. Link to schematic and board in Eagle format, bill of materials, and optimized Gcode. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MCWO35P/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_LM5Xzb44NGJSH. Everything was working pretty well, but I kept having USB disconnects. One may "jog" the machine into position by making small moves by either manually entering G-code commands or using special purpose buttons i… Can include both controllers. I bought a SuperPID2 to control the spindle on my ShapeOko v1. The Shapeoko uses a 2.5mm center conductor and the switch uses the more standard 2.1mm center conductor. This required changes to the grbl code on the controller. Don’t ask me how I figure that one out. Then starting with a small bit make a starter hole, then slowly drill the holes out using the bit sized for your tap. The Makita router I use is rated at 6A, so the shopvac test is wild overkill. Archived. :) A couple of months back I created a closed loop router speed controller for my home CNC router, my router is; (here. I am using Grbl Panel, a program written in .NET, and can be found here: https://github.com/gerritv/Grbl-Panel/wiki. The triac was put in a horizontal manner to save space and allow this to be stacked below the Stepper Shield. Anyone using it? Modeled in Creo 4, Step files included. Other CAM software may or may not. Modify X and Y axis drives to NEMA 23 steppers with dual steppers on the Y axis. These are the best prices I've found in the UK for ordering the parts other than the main kit: 3x Stepper motor, £16.79 ea from Technobots; 1x Heatsinks for stepper driver ICs, £8.39 from Technobots . Y-axis (towards or away when facing the machine) 3. But no, beside myself killin my DeWalt after starting it at a too high RPM withe my SuperPid, I never ran into a problem. Mounting it plumb to the machine Discussion of techniques for doing so on the forums in Aligning DW660 to be perfectly vertical. Note for VFD & Spindle users: If you're planning to use a true spindle with a discrete VFD instead of an AC trim router, you can stop right here. You need only attach TWO wires to pins 3 and 6 on the left block shown below: Run the leads from Pins 3 and 6 through one of the holes in the CM case and plug all the stock bits and bobs back into the CM controller where they should be. Now router runs almost perfectly via software control. Status: NOT TESTED (Feature is provided on some boards such as: AtomCNC, XStepper#Control_spindle XStepper) A logic-level device like the Arudino that the CM controller is based upon cannot switch large Alternating Current (AC) loads by itself. In order to do it, we need to use the CM board to fire a relay and use the relay to turn on or off the routers that most of us use for spindles. Items noted with * are optional. But please read through ALL of it first, then start at the top and work through. It is a Shapeoko XXL frame with limit switches, an ESS controller and a Super PID for my router. What type of relay should be used? This package includes the Full Kit + Upgrades. A relay is a sort of switch that allows a small DC voltage (like the 5V from the CM Controller) to turn on and off a much larger load on a different power source (like a router). In this configuration both the physical switch and the relay must be closed in order for the router to turn on. Fully enclose the electronics, including power supply. Not sure, but I just ordered replacement ceramic hybrid bearings to make it run a little cooler. I ran short jobs at 8,000rpm and I did not notices a major uprising in temperature, thanks in part to the router being connected to a plate that helps heat dissipate. The first time was with no heatsink and the relay reached about 160F. Detailed write-up at: https://community.carbide3d.com/t/router-on-off-and-speed-control-with-superpid-and-cncjs/23456, https://github.com/GilchristT/SpindleTalker2/releases , https://github.com/grbl/grbl/wiki/Connecting-Grbl . In the diagram below the signal wires from the CM controller are blue and can be a small (26ga) wire. 2. The two pins we are interested in are labeled GND and PWM. I’m using a Makita RT0700C which supports spindle speeds from 10,000 – 30,000 RPM. Thank you for the info and quick reply. Now of course, you'll need a much larger relay for this, or even a pair wired in series, but it's a nice further level of automation. Anyone had contact or ordered from Super-PID lately? Don’t ask me how I figure that one out. Not what I want. Super-PID speed control. Even if it weren’t, just pressing the back plate against the rail transferred enough heat to keep it cool. I want to use speeds under 10,000 and thought SuperPID would be a good option. New one resolved that issue. I had it connected to the Carbide Motion controller, but I use bCNC and not Carbide Create as my CAM software. This page was last modified on 16 August 2020, at 10:19. If you have any questions let me know. by Cincinnatus Jul 21, 2019 . vCarve can do this using 3rd party post processors (see below), Completely non-moving relays that use circuitry to switch the load on and off, Less ‘noisy’, as there is no physical gap-arc possible, A mechanical elctro-magnetic switch that open and closes a connection, Noisy, as the current (possibly) arcs as the switch closes, Still easy to wire up, but not as easy as SSRs, Some 24ga or thinner wire (if not using servo leads). Looks to be a great addition, however with Christmas, birthdays, house shopping, various life events, I haven’t had a chance to really use my XXL for the last few weeks since I installed it. FWIW, I do not use the Dewalt DWP611, simply because the SuperPID makes you give up on the speed wheel and you also have to bypass the soft start component of the router. If you're a user of a dust boot or other vacuum solution, it might be worth running power from your relay/switch to an Outlet, rather than directly to a router. Hey Jon, SuperPID is a speed controller for routers, which allows one to both control the router’s target RPM externally (manually or…using the Shapeoko’s PWM signal), run the router at lower RPMs than what is possible from the dial knob.. I did modify GRBL in order to get the PID working automatically with the carbide motion board. They're not in stock. DOES NOT INCLUDE the spindle and tools. Welcome to Reddit, the front page of the internet. Starting the router at 20,000 rpm without a soft start can and will damage the router and can give a good slap on your shapeoko. Starting the router at 20,000 rpm without a soft start can and will damage the router and can give a good slap on your shapeoko. All of the parts needed to make your mechanical kit to a full kit. If you are not completely comfortable with 120V electrical work, do not proceed. This way, a router AND a shopvac could be plugged into the outlet and both switched on and off automatically. https://community.carbide3d.com/t/vfd-and-spindle-blocking-software-from-working/13789/4, https://shop.carbide3d.com/collections/accessories/products/bitrunner, https://carbide3d.com/blog/2020/bitrunner/, Iot Relay - Enclosed High-power Power Relay for Arduino, Raspberry Pi, PIC or Wifi, Relay Shield, https://www.facebook.com/groups/unofficialshapeoko/permalink/285680405173259/?hc_location=ufi, https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MCWO35P/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_ep_dp_LM5Xzb44NGJSH, https://www.bonra.co.uk/post/lets-fit-a-spindle, http://community.carbide3d.com/t/can-you-control-router-power-using-gcode/3079/16, PID Closed Loop Spindle Speed Control for Quiet Cut Spindle, MLCS 9400 Standard Duty Router Speed Control, http://www.vhipe.com/product-private/SuperPID.htm, https://community.carbide3d.com/t/router-on-off-and-speed-control-with-superpid-and-cncjs/23456, https://github.com/GilchristT/SpindleTalker2/releases, https://github.com/grbl/grbl/wiki/Connecting-Grbl, https://wiki.shapeoko.com/index.php?title=Spindle_Control&oldid=19084. This kit is ideal for businesses, Etsy Sellers, makerspaces, libraries, and schools. Use an awl or end punch to make marks in the aluminum. We will go over many of the fundamentals of using your Shapeoko to create your own projects. The output side should interrupt the Hot wire for your router.  --- discussion of installation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/unofficialshapeoko/permalink/285680405173259/?hc_location=ufi (requires membership in the unofficial Shapeoko Facebook group), A more DIY Solid State Relay w/ heatsink: I’m going to be using a 25A SSR for my project. I would be interested in hearing about if the enhancements in the upgrade improved performance and in what ways? This is safe enough for my shop, but please make it as safe as YOU feel it should be. I thought it wasn’t programming the controller because of this. You can do this with some thin (~24ga) wire and solder directly to the holes on the board, or you can solder in pins. 11 17 2. Super-PID speed control. Technically, the DeWalt and the Porter Cable are air cooled, and they use fan blades attached to the shaft to cool itself down. Solid state relays make a lot of heat. In our case, we’ll be using the small 5V signal from the grbl controller to ‘switch’ the 120V used by the router. Control the router with Super-PID. One thing to remember, since you are removing the soft start, make sure you dial down the speed on your thumb wheel before you start your router. The 1-Project Crash Course to Using your Shapeoko. Video of Shapeoko 2 upgrade to the new X-Carve. Posted by 1 year ago. I used the Arduino software to program the controller since I am used to the Arduino IDE. Speed control is not supported currently by GRBL. SuperPID user here. The PID needs 0 volt to start and 5 volts to stop. Forum discussion: Re: DW660 Mods. Randy, I had it connected to the Carbide Motion controller, but I use bCNC and not Carbide Create as my CAM software. 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